1 00:01:03,029 --> 00:00:25,300 [Music] 2 00:01:06,310 --> 00:01:05,030 hello and welcome to the show i'm martin 3 00:01:08,310 --> 00:01:06,320 willis your host 4 00:01:09,670 --> 00:01:08,320 and just a couple things right off the 5 00:01:12,870 --> 00:01:09,680 bat um 6 00:01:14,870 --> 00:01:12,880 i think the internet's gonna be okay um 7 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:14,880 i've moved to a cabin it's been an issue 8 00:01:17,910 --> 00:01:16,320 and i've been investing 9 00:01:20,149 --> 00:01:17,920 in these different i have this new unit 10 00:01:21,990 --> 00:01:20,159 that it's supposed to work just fine 11 00:01:23,990 --> 00:01:22,000 uh you know next week we're gonna be in 12 00:01:26,789 --> 00:01:24,000 the uh berkshires i'm gonna do 13 00:01:27,830 --> 00:01:26,799 uh a show right on the location the tom 14 00:01:29,990 --> 00:01:27,840 uh tom warner's 15 00:01:30,950 --> 00:01:30,000 farm and uh there's gonna be some new 16 00:01:33,030 --> 00:01:30,960 witnesses so 17 00:01:34,149 --> 00:01:33,040 that's gonna be live next week on 18 00:01:36,149 --> 00:01:34,159 location 19 00:01:37,510 --> 00:01:36,159 it's gonna start an hour early so it's 20 00:01:39,109 --> 00:01:37,520 gonna be a three hour show you can't 21 00:01:41,670 --> 00:01:39,119 miss that it's gonna be a great one 22 00:01:43,830 --> 00:01:41,680 some new witnesses are uh going to be 23 00:01:46,389 --> 00:01:43,840 speaking for the very first time 24 00:01:47,429 --> 00:01:46,399 and so it should be uh an excellent show 25 00:01:49,429 --> 00:01:47,439 next week 26 00:01:51,749 --> 00:01:49,439 so after that i think you know i was 27 00:01:53,990 --> 00:01:51,759 just i have a boat uh moored 28 00:01:55,910 --> 00:01:54,000 um out on the ocean right right in the 29 00:01:58,630 --> 00:01:55,920 harbor not too far away 30 00:01:59,590 --> 00:01:58,640 and i was on that with uh my phone the 31 00:02:03,109 --> 00:01:59,600 other day it gets 32 00:02:04,950 --> 00:02:03,119 five gigs there and the hot spot um 33 00:02:06,550 --> 00:02:04,960 goes really well so i think i'm gonna do 34 00:02:07,590 --> 00:02:06,560 i know it sounds crazy but i think i'm 35 00:02:10,869 --> 00:02:07,600 gonna do 36 00:02:13,270 --> 00:02:10,879 uh my show from my boat from uh 37 00:02:13,990 --> 00:02:13,280 if the weather's good if it's not the 38 00:02:17,589 --> 00:02:14,000 tiny ship 39 00:02:20,070 --> 00:02:17,599 can't be tossed um so i'm gonna see 40 00:02:20,949 --> 00:02:20,080 if uh that's gonna work out um but it's 41 00:02:23,110 --> 00:02:20,959 been an issue 42 00:02:24,550 --> 00:02:23,120 and hopefully things will be smooth 43 00:02:26,869 --> 00:02:24,560 throughout the show 44 00:02:28,070 --> 00:02:26,879 so my guests tonight first i was 45 00:02:29,589 --> 00:02:28,080 thinking about the uap 46 00:02:31,270 --> 00:02:29,599 report that came out and i've got a lot 47 00:02:33,270 --> 00:02:31,280 of email about that a lot of people 48 00:02:35,589 --> 00:02:33,280 contacted me in different ways 49 00:02:37,270 --> 00:02:35,599 facebook and everywhere else about that 50 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:37,280 and what i thought about it and 51 00:02:40,550 --> 00:02:39,840 so i was thinking only this afternoon 52 00:02:42,309 --> 00:02:40,560 who would be 53 00:02:43,990 --> 00:02:42,319 better to talk about that than kevin 54 00:02:45,830 --> 00:02:44,000 randle so he's coming on 55 00:02:47,830 --> 00:02:45,840 in just a few minutes uh he's someone i 56 00:02:50,869 --> 00:02:47,840 always look to for a great 57 00:02:52,070 --> 00:02:50,879 uh opinion in the straight stuff on this 58 00:02:55,110 --> 00:02:52,080 uh ufo topic 59 00:02:56,790 --> 00:02:55,120 so he'll be on in just a minute uh after 60 00:03:00,149 --> 00:02:56,800 that is zen benfidel 61 00:03:02,630 --> 00:03:00,159 um he has uh he has had 62 00:03:05,190 --> 00:03:02,640 uh encounters an encounter at a very 63 00:03:07,190 --> 00:03:05,200 young age um he contacted me all the way 64 00:03:08,309 --> 00:03:07,200 back in 2013 he's always been really 65 00:03:10,630 --> 00:03:08,319 nice to me 66 00:03:11,670 --> 00:03:10,640 so i am bringing him on this show for 67 00:03:13,350 --> 00:03:11,680 the first time 68 00:03:14,869 --> 00:03:13,360 uh i think you're really going to enjoy 69 00:03:15,509 --> 00:03:14,879 uh the things that he is going to talk 70 00:03:17,670 --> 00:03:15,519 about 71 00:03:19,589 --> 00:03:17,680 but for right now i'm going to bring 72 00:03:22,470 --> 00:03:19,599 kevin in kevin welcome 73 00:03:22,790 --> 00:03:22,480 thank you appreciate it and thanks for 74 00:03:25,830 --> 00:03:22,800 your 75 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:25,840 last minute um appearance 76 00:03:29,270 --> 00:03:28,000 that you could actually do this i really 77 00:03:31,990 --> 00:03:29,280 appreciate that 78 00:03:33,430 --> 00:03:32,000 it's lucky that i was on the computer 79 00:03:34,470 --> 00:03:33,440 sometimes they don't see my email for a 80 00:03:37,190 --> 00:03:34,480 couple of days 81 00:03:38,710 --> 00:03:37,200 yeah yeah i tried calling you first but 82 00:03:41,509 --> 00:03:38,720 now i'm just so glad 83 00:03:43,110 --> 00:03:41,519 that you really um can just do this last 84 00:03:44,550 --> 00:03:43,120 minute and i do remember the last time i 85 00:03:46,630 --> 00:03:44,560 had you on the show 86 00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:46,640 someone cancelled and it was another 87 00:03:50,309 --> 00:03:47,760 last minute thing 88 00:03:51,350 --> 00:03:50,319 and i said kevin my guest canceled can 89 00:03:53,670 --> 00:03:51,360 you come on tonight 90 00:03:55,030 --> 00:03:53,680 and uh you did the whole show right then 91 00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:55,040 so i appreciate that 92 00:03:59,190 --> 00:03:57,120 and i mentioned uh just a few weeks ago 93 00:04:00,550 --> 00:03:59,200 i had i can't remember as a guest from 94 00:04:02,789 --> 00:04:00,560 canada that was on the show when your 95 00:04:04,789 --> 00:04:02,799 name came up we were both talking about 96 00:04:07,270 --> 00:04:04,799 if someone wants to get the straight 97 00:04:09,750 --> 00:04:07,280 scoop about a ufo encounter 98 00:04:10,550 --> 00:04:09,760 you can always count on your your blog 99 00:04:12,550 --> 00:04:10,560 site 100 00:04:14,630 --> 00:04:12,560 and so right off the bat for there's so 101 00:04:16,710 --> 00:04:14,640 many new people 102 00:04:17,830 --> 00:04:16,720 interested in this topic right now can 103 00:04:19,990 --> 00:04:17,840 you just throw out your 104 00:04:21,909 --> 00:04:20,000 your website so people can find it and 105 00:04:26,870 --> 00:04:21,919 i'll put it in the show notes as well 106 00:04:28,790 --> 00:04:26,880 it's uh www.kevinrandall.blogspot.com 107 00:04:30,870 --> 00:04:28,800 and interestingly i've got two long 108 00:04:32,150 --> 00:04:30,880 postings that will kind of supplement 109 00:04:34,950 --> 00:04:32,160 what we're going to talk about 110 00:04:36,469 --> 00:04:34,960 for a few minutes here uh about the uap 111 00:04:37,270 --> 00:04:36,479 report and how that's all gone down 112 00:04:39,670 --> 00:04:37,280 there's two 113 00:04:41,110 --> 00:04:39,680 there's a very long um report there and 114 00:04:44,230 --> 00:04:41,120 then there's a shorter piece to kind of 115 00:04:47,270 --> 00:04:44,240 clarify some of the points 116 00:04:47,990 --> 00:04:47,280 well let's talk about that um so um you 117 00:04:49,749 --> 00:04:48,000 know some 118 00:04:51,430 --> 00:04:49,759 some people are i mean there's there's a 119 00:04:53,270 --> 00:04:51,440 lot of uh you know 120 00:04:54,710 --> 00:04:53,280 stuff going around right now social 121 00:04:56,230 --> 00:04:54,720 media and stuff like that i try to stay 122 00:04:58,469 --> 00:04:56,240 away from most of that 123 00:05:00,550 --> 00:04:58,479 but um there's a lot of people that were 124 00:05:03,430 --> 00:05:00,560 really angry that it didn't say 125 00:05:04,870 --> 00:05:03,440 they're aliens you know i think i think 126 00:05:07,350 --> 00:05:04,880 that's what it boils down to 127 00:05:07,990 --> 00:05:07,360 but uh and this people have to remember 128 00:05:16,550 --> 00:05:08,000 this is 129 00:05:19,270 --> 00:05:16,560 report 130 00:05:20,390 --> 00:05:19,280 there's not a whole lot in it yeah i 131 00:05:23,110 --> 00:05:20,400 look at it as 132 00:05:23,430 --> 00:05:23,120 uh nathan twining 2.0 nathan twining was 133 00:05:27,270 --> 00:05:23,440 the 134 00:05:29,510 --> 00:05:27,280 back in 1947 when this whole thing 135 00:05:32,390 --> 00:05:29,520 exploded in the united states 136 00:05:34,230 --> 00:05:32,400 he was sent a series of signing reports 137 00:05:36,790 --> 00:05:34,240 to analyze and of course he didn't do it 138 00:05:38,469 --> 00:05:36,800 he had his intelligence officer do it 139 00:05:40,310 --> 00:05:38,479 but he issued a letter in september of 140 00:05:42,950 --> 00:05:40,320 1947 that said the 141 00:05:43,990 --> 00:05:42,960 phenomenon being the flying saucers is 142 00:05:47,029 --> 00:05:44,000 something real 143 00:05:47,830 --> 00:05:47,039 it's not illusionary or visionary or 144 00:05:49,270 --> 00:05:47,840 fictitious 145 00:05:51,670 --> 00:05:49,280 he's saying it's real and needs to be 146 00:05:53,749 --> 00:05:51,680 investigated and from that point they 147 00:05:55,430 --> 00:05:53,759 established project sign which morphed 148 00:05:58,070 --> 00:05:55,440 into project grudge which became 149 00:05:58,870 --> 00:05:58,080 project blue book so they began a 150 00:06:01,270 --> 00:05:58,880 22-year 151 00:06:04,230 --> 00:06:01,280 investigation into these things but it 152 00:06:06,550 --> 00:06:04,240 started with this letter from twining 153 00:06:08,629 --> 00:06:06,560 uh providing some information and that 154 00:06:18,830 --> 00:06:08,639 analyses of what 155 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:26,230 suggest 156 00:06:29,670 --> 00:06:28,710 the same things that twining did back 75 157 00:06:33,350 --> 00:06:29,680 years ago 158 00:06:35,189 --> 00:06:33,360 uh we've got this report the reports 159 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:35,199 that we have or the incidents we have 160 00:06:38,629 --> 00:06:36,720 there haven't been well investigated 161 00:06:40,469 --> 00:06:38,639 there's a lot of data missing 162 00:06:42,309 --> 00:06:40,479 we think it's something real it may boil 163 00:06:44,309 --> 00:06:42,319 down to a variety of explanations 164 00:06:47,110 --> 00:06:44,319 including plastic bags floating in the 165 00:06:48,390 --> 00:06:47,120 atmosphere balloons drones 166 00:06:51,909 --> 00:06:48,400 many of the things that they said back 167 00:06:54,309 --> 00:06:51,919 in 1947 that could explain the ufos 168 00:06:56,070 --> 00:06:54,319 there was a suggestion that although 169 00:06:56,629 --> 00:06:56,080 they had no real evidence of it there 170 00:06:58,550 --> 00:06:56,639 might be 171 00:07:00,309 --> 00:06:58,560 an extraterrestrial component they kind 172 00:07:01,110 --> 00:07:00,319 of threw that bone out to the ufo 173 00:07:03,430 --> 00:07:01,120 community 174 00:07:05,510 --> 00:07:03,440 but basically i look at this is the same 175 00:07:07,589 --> 00:07:05,520 thing that we were doing back 75 years 176 00:07:09,589 --> 00:07:07,599 ago before any of us were born 177 00:07:11,589 --> 00:07:09,599 they were looking at this thing and now 178 00:07:13,430 --> 00:07:11,599 we've got a new investigation based on 179 00:07:15,510 --> 00:07:13,440 limited information that they didn't 180 00:07:17,670 --> 00:07:15,520 gather it very well they looked at no 181 00:07:18,950 --> 00:07:17,680 nothing historical i cannot believe that 182 00:07:20,390 --> 00:07:18,960 the one thing they didn't do 183 00:07:22,550 --> 00:07:20,400 anybody who's been to graduate school 184 00:07:25,830 --> 00:07:22,560 and has to do any kind of a dissertation 185 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:25,840 or a um or a master's thesis knows one 186 00:07:28,469 --> 00:07:27,120 of the first things you do is a 187 00:07:30,550 --> 00:07:28,479 literature search 188 00:07:32,469 --> 00:07:30,560 to find out what's gone on before so you 189 00:07:34,870 --> 00:07:32,479 don't duplicate the effort 190 00:07:35,990 --> 00:07:34,880 and they didn't bother with any of that 191 00:07:38,150 --> 00:07:36,000 they have 192 00:07:39,909 --> 00:07:38,160 access to the entire project blue book 193 00:07:42,150 --> 00:07:39,919 files which are online 194 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:42,160 they have access to the robertson panel 195 00:07:46,390 --> 00:07:43,840 report done in 196 00:07:48,070 --> 00:07:46,400 sponsored by the cia they had access to 197 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:48,080 the content committee report which was 198 00:07:50,950 --> 00:07:49,680 the one that ended project blue book in 199 00:07:52,629 --> 00:07:50,960 1969 200 00:07:55,430 --> 00:07:52,639 they didn't look at any of that they 201 00:07:57,830 --> 00:07:55,440 didn't contact any of the 202 00:07:59,589 --> 00:07:57,840 ufo organizations they didn't contact 203 00:08:01,270 --> 00:07:59,599 any of the ufo researchers 204 00:08:03,430 --> 00:08:01,280 who might have been able to provide them 205 00:08:05,350 --> 00:08:03,440 with some uh 206 00:08:06,710 --> 00:08:05,360 ways of investigating this it would have 207 00:08:07,909 --> 00:08:06,720 saved them a lot of time and effort 208 00:08:09,270 --> 00:08:07,919 instead they just went out well we 209 00:08:12,070 --> 00:08:09,280 talked to the pilots we didn't get a lot 210 00:08:14,869 --> 00:08:12,080 of good information we have 144 211 00:08:15,510 --> 00:08:14,879 uh reports which may not be separate 212 00:08:19,189 --> 00:08:15,520 instance 213 00:08:21,830 --> 00:08:19,199 uh in incidents we know that um 214 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:21,840 twining had 16 reports that it looked 215 00:08:25,670 --> 00:08:23,680 like i think it eventually became 18 but 216 00:08:27,990 --> 00:08:25,680 of that in that there were 35 reports 217 00:08:30,629 --> 00:08:28,000 meaning 35 witness statements were taken 218 00:08:31,990 --> 00:08:30,639 so we don't know anything about how many 219 00:08:34,310 --> 00:08:32,000 incidents were actually 220 00:08:35,430 --> 00:08:34,320 investigated by these guys how many 221 00:08:37,029 --> 00:08:35,440 reports they took 222 00:08:38,870 --> 00:08:37,039 i don't know why they couldn't do a good 223 00:08:41,670 --> 00:08:38,880 job they said the air force 224 00:08:42,949 --> 00:08:41,680 came on late and they were kind of 225 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:42,959 scatterbrained in the way they were 226 00:08:46,070 --> 00:08:44,000 operating so well maybe they should have 227 00:08:47,430 --> 00:08:46,080 looked back into project blue book and 228 00:08:49,509 --> 00:08:47,440 pulled up some of that stuff to give 229 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:49,519 them some assistance in it i just think 230 00:08:53,350 --> 00:08:50,240 it's a 231 00:08:55,269 --> 00:08:53,360 very haphazard report thrown together to 232 00:08:57,269 --> 00:08:55,279 meet a requirement 233 00:08:59,269 --> 00:08:57,279 that they produce a report within 180 234 00:08:59,910 --> 00:08:59,279 days of the passage of one of the relief 235 00:09:02,470 --> 00:08:59,920 bills for 236 00:09:03,590 --> 00:09:02,480 covet 19 which i also find incredibly 237 00:09:05,350 --> 00:09:03,600 ridiculous we've 238 00:09:07,670 --> 00:09:05,360 we've attached that as a writer to a 239 00:09:10,230 --> 00:09:07,680 bill providing stimulus for 240 00:09:11,110 --> 00:09:10,240 for uh the american people and instead 241 00:09:14,230 --> 00:09:11,120 we're we're 242 00:09:15,670 --> 00:09:14,240 worrying about ufos in that respect i 243 00:09:18,870 --> 00:09:15,680 think that the whole thing deserves 244 00:09:21,829 --> 00:09:18,880 more um time more effort 245 00:09:22,550 --> 00:09:21,839 and we just didn't get it well do you 246 00:09:23,990 --> 00:09:22,560 think this is 247 00:09:25,990 --> 00:09:24,000 that's going to be it or do you think 248 00:09:27,430 --> 00:09:26,000 we're going to hear from 249 00:09:28,790 --> 00:09:27,440 one of the things i do want to point out 250 00:09:29,430 --> 00:09:28,800 that you i didn't hear you mention or 251 00:09:32,790 --> 00:09:29,440 maybe you 252 00:09:35,269 --> 00:09:32,800 you did um but they are saying that 253 00:09:36,150 --> 00:09:35,279 they want to use contemporary reports 254 00:09:39,430 --> 00:09:36,160 because of the 255 00:09:40,070 --> 00:09:39,440 data collection is more uh you know 256 00:09:43,269 --> 00:09:40,080 modern 257 00:09:44,949 --> 00:09:43,279 i'm you know i'm paraphrasing but 258 00:09:46,389 --> 00:09:44,959 um you know it sounds to me like they 259 00:09:48,550 --> 00:09:46,399 don't want to go into the historical 260 00:09:51,910 --> 00:09:48,560 reports because the data's not 261 00:09:54,070 --> 00:09:51,920 as um updated or solid according to 262 00:09:55,430 --> 00:09:54,080 what they're looking for anybody who has 263 00:09:57,430 --> 00:09:55,440 done any restore 264 00:09:58,790 --> 00:09:57,440 research projects knows one of the first 265 00:10:00,470 --> 00:09:58,800 things you do is take a look at the 266 00:10:02,150 --> 00:10:00,480 history 267 00:10:03,750 --> 00:10:02,160 yeah you don't have to spend a lot of 268 00:10:05,030 --> 00:10:03,760 time on it all you have to do is take a 269 00:10:06,790 --> 00:10:05,040 look at the history and see what's gone 270 00:10:07,350 --> 00:10:06,800 before you so you don't duplicate the 271 00:10:09,350 --> 00:10:07,360 effort 272 00:10:11,590 --> 00:10:09,360 what they've done is exactly the same 273 00:10:12,870 --> 00:10:11,600 thing that 20 did 75 years ago 274 00:10:14,949 --> 00:10:12,880 they could have saved themselves a lot 275 00:10:17,590 --> 00:10:14,959 of effort just photocopy that cut and 276 00:10:19,269 --> 00:10:17,600 paste it and throw it out 277 00:10:21,430 --> 00:10:19,279 i mean we don't have the same the same 278 00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:21,440 results i'm looking for this 279 00:10:25,910 --> 00:10:24,240 to eventually evolve into condom 2.0 280 00:10:27,509 --> 00:10:25,920 which is well the scientific community 281 00:10:28,870 --> 00:10:27,519 looked at this and they've decided that 282 00:10:30,230 --> 00:10:28,880 there's nothing to it so we don't have 283 00:10:33,509 --> 00:10:30,240 to worry about it anymore 284 00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:33,519 which is what content did 50 years ago 285 00:10:37,350 --> 00:10:35,760 the interesting thing is this report has 286 00:10:38,630 --> 00:10:37,360 sort of negated condon 287 00:10:40,310 --> 00:10:38,640 by saying well there's something to be 288 00:10:41,910 --> 00:10:40,320 looked at there's national security 289 00:10:43,910 --> 00:10:41,920 issues condon said there weren't 290 00:10:45,350 --> 00:10:43,920 there's uh things to be learned by 291 00:10:47,110 --> 00:10:45,360 studying this continent said there 292 00:10:48,949 --> 00:10:47,120 wasn't 293 00:10:50,630 --> 00:10:48,959 the air force has not been doing a very 294 00:10:51,829 --> 00:10:50,640 good job condon said they did a really 295 00:10:53,590 --> 00:10:51,839 great job i mean there's three 296 00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:53,600 conclusions that condon reached 297 00:10:56,870 --> 00:10:55,440 by the way prior to even beginning the 298 00:10:57,990 --> 00:10:56,880 investigation the conclusions were 299 00:10:59,910 --> 00:10:58,000 written out and 300 00:11:01,990 --> 00:10:59,920 again that's documented on my blog as 301 00:11:04,630 --> 00:11:02,000 well just type in hitler letter 302 00:11:06,550 --> 00:11:04,640 it's h-i-p-p-l-e-r and you'll see a 303 00:11:08,550 --> 00:11:06,560 letter from an air force officer to the 304 00:11:10,310 --> 00:11:08,560 conduct committee i think dr robert lowe 305 00:11:11,910 --> 00:11:10,320 saying here's what we'd like you to find 306 00:11:12,389 --> 00:11:11,920 and then low response yeah we can do 307 00:11:14,069 --> 00:11:12,399 that 308 00:11:15,590 --> 00:11:14,079 i haven't investigated a case haven't 309 00:11:17,590 --> 00:11:15,600 done a thing but here are your 310 00:11:18,870 --> 00:11:17,600 conclusions and yeah we can do that 311 00:11:20,470 --> 00:11:18,880 and i think we're eventually going to 312 00:11:21,190 --> 00:11:20,480 run into that sort of thing that we're 313 00:11:24,710 --> 00:11:21,200 going to end 314 00:11:26,150 --> 00:11:24,720 up with condon 2.0 and it's an appeal to 315 00:11:26,470 --> 00:11:26,160 authority well the authorities looked at 316 00:11:29,030 --> 00:11:26,480 this 317 00:11:30,790 --> 00:11:29,040 and there's nothing to it but a lot of 318 00:11:33,110 --> 00:11:30,800 us have spent a great deal of time 319 00:11:33,829 --> 00:11:33,120 a great many years researching this 320 00:11:35,750 --> 00:11:33,839 carefully 321 00:11:38,150 --> 00:11:35,760 there's all kinds of research when you 322 00:11:40,230 --> 00:11:38,160 talk about the collection of data 323 00:11:41,430 --> 00:11:40,240 how many landing trace cases do we need 324 00:11:44,310 --> 00:11:41,440 to look at 325 00:11:45,829 --> 00:11:44,320 ted phillips has what 4 500 and maybe 326 00:11:47,110 --> 00:11:45,839 the collection of some of that stuff 327 00:11:48,470 --> 00:11:47,120 wasn't as good as it could be but 328 00:11:49,750 --> 00:11:48,480 there's some in there that's going to be 329 00:11:51,829 --> 00:11:49,760 very very good 330 00:11:54,069 --> 00:11:51,839 look at the photographic cases the radar 331 00:11:55,670 --> 00:11:54,079 cases the the cases with multiple chains 332 00:11:57,430 --> 00:11:55,680 of evidence they're just ignoring all of 333 00:11:59,350 --> 00:11:57,440 that because they have some 334 00:12:01,269 --> 00:11:59,360 bias against the history of the ufo 335 00:12:02,550 --> 00:12:01,279 phenomenon and it wasn't collected 336 00:12:04,389 --> 00:12:02,560 properly you're saying that the air 337 00:12:06,790 --> 00:12:04,399 force investigation for 338 00:12:08,230 --> 00:12:06,800 22 years they didn't do a very good job 339 00:12:09,829 --> 00:12:08,240 they didn't collected the data 340 00:12:11,110 --> 00:12:09,839 well during that time is that what 341 00:12:12,389 --> 00:12:11,120 you're saying and now you're going to do 342 00:12:16,150 --> 00:12:12,399 a better job 343 00:12:19,509 --> 00:12:16,160 you haven't even looked at it yeah 344 00:12:22,389 --> 00:12:19,519 oh you sound pretty frustrated 345 00:12:23,990 --> 00:12:22,399 well i a lot of my friends john 346 00:12:26,230 --> 00:12:24,000 greenwald i think for example said 347 00:12:27,829 --> 00:12:26,240 he was was greatly disappointed in the 348 00:12:29,190 --> 00:12:27,839 report nice and i'm thinking i wasn't 349 00:12:30,470 --> 00:12:29,200 disappointed it's exactly what i 350 00:12:32,230 --> 00:12:30,480 expected 351 00:12:35,190 --> 00:12:32,240 i didn't expect there would be anything 352 00:12:36,790 --> 00:12:35,200 i got to tell you i expected less 353 00:12:38,790 --> 00:12:36,800 i expect that it was going to be even 354 00:12:40,870 --> 00:12:38,800 you know more deflated than 355 00:12:42,310 --> 00:12:40,880 um so i was actually impressed with a 356 00:12:44,629 --> 00:12:42,320 couple of things 357 00:12:46,470 --> 00:12:44,639 and one of them being uh the things you 358 00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:46,480 just mentioned you know i mean 359 00:12:50,230 --> 00:12:49,200 uh the thing you just mentioned about 360 00:12:52,470 --> 00:12:50,240 you know that there 361 00:12:54,550 --> 00:12:52,480 really is something to it or that you 362 00:12:57,910 --> 00:12:54,560 know those 140 363 00:12:58,949 --> 00:12:57,920 4 143 of the 144 364 00:13:00,790 --> 00:12:58,959 they're saying they don't have an 365 00:13:02,470 --> 00:13:00,800 explanation for i don't know if they're 366 00:13:04,230 --> 00:13:02,480 going to do any more research into those 367 00:13:05,110 --> 00:13:04,240 particular cases whatever they are or 368 00:13:06,470 --> 00:13:05,120 not 369 00:13:08,550 --> 00:13:06,480 well the thing is if you go back and 370 00:13:10,629 --> 00:13:08,560 look at the 20 letter and on my blog 371 00:13:11,269 --> 00:13:10,639 i've got a list of the cases that were 372 00:13:13,750 --> 00:13:11,279 sent to him 373 00:13:14,790 --> 00:13:13,760 and the evidence i mean the analysis of 374 00:13:15,990 --> 00:13:14,800 the cases 375 00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:16,000 and you can take a look at those and 376 00:13:19,430 --> 00:13:17,680 some of those probably can be explained 377 00:13:21,030 --> 00:13:19,440 in today's environment but at that time 378 00:13:22,629 --> 00:13:21,040 they were unable to explain them 379 00:13:24,150 --> 00:13:22,639 i think of the child's wooded sighting 380 00:13:26,230 --> 00:13:24,160 which is not part of the twining thing 381 00:13:27,990 --> 00:13:26,240 but it took place in 1948 382 00:13:29,670 --> 00:13:28,000 where these two airline pilots saw a 383 00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:29,680 cigar-shaped craft a square window 384 00:13:34,470 --> 00:13:32,320 shooting by their airliner at 5 000 feet 385 00:13:36,069 --> 00:13:34,480 in today's environment i sincerely 386 00:13:37,670 --> 00:13:36,079 believe that what they saw was a bow 387 00:13:38,629 --> 00:13:37,680 light a very bright meteor as it was 388 00:13:40,389 --> 00:13:38,639 breaking up 389 00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:40,399 through a cloud layer layer and if you 390 00:13:45,829 --> 00:13:41,760 look at some of the 391 00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:45,839 uh videos on youtube 392 00:13:49,750 --> 00:13:48,240 of the meteor there's one called meteor 393 00:13:50,870 --> 00:13:49,760 compilation it was like three minutes 394 00:13:52,150 --> 00:13:50,880 and 19 seconds and 395 00:13:54,949 --> 00:13:52,160 somebody put together a whole bunch of 396 00:13:56,389 --> 00:13:54,959 videos of meteors breaking apart 397 00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:56,399 and you can see how people who got a 398 00:13:59,110 --> 00:13:57,680 glimpse of this thing would think that 399 00:14:02,069 --> 00:13:59,120 you've got a lighted cabin 400 00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:02,079 and square windows on cigar-shaped craft 401 00:14:05,110 --> 00:14:03,519 and you can see that so the ex 402 00:14:07,829 --> 00:14:05,120 we have an explanation for that case 403 00:14:09,030 --> 00:14:07,839 which was very mysterious back in 1948 404 00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:09,040 and i think what we're going to do is 405 00:14:11,829 --> 00:14:10,320 we're going to see that kind of thing 406 00:14:13,269 --> 00:14:11,839 here well this was very mysterious but 407 00:14:15,430 --> 00:14:13,279 we found a glitch in our 408 00:14:16,310 --> 00:14:15,440 our technology here that kind of uh put 409 00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:16,320 put this 410 00:14:20,310 --> 00:14:18,480 uh image in front of the guys or didn't 411 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:20,320 resolve it quite well there was another 412 00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:23,040 um and i discussed it on the blog as 413 00:14:27,030 --> 00:14:24,480 well uh when they released one of the 414 00:14:29,430 --> 00:14:27,040 videos and somebody had put on youtube 415 00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:29,440 he connected night vision goggles to his 416 00:14:32,470 --> 00:14:30,160 cell phone 417 00:14:33,189 --> 00:14:32,480 camera and you get the same kind of 418 00:14:35,110 --> 00:14:33,199 image 419 00:14:36,949 --> 00:14:35,120 that the the navy released of this 420 00:14:38,790 --> 00:14:36,959 pyramid shaped or triangular 421 00:14:40,949 --> 00:14:38,800 object yeah and so you're looking at a 422 00:14:42,150 --> 00:14:40,959 technological glitch that created this 423 00:14:45,509 --> 00:14:42,160 sort of thing 424 00:14:48,710 --> 00:14:45,519 yeah right right um do you think though 425 00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:48,720 um do you think that it's just another 426 00:14:51,670 --> 00:14:49,440 case 427 00:14:53,430 --> 00:14:51,680 if you had to if you would have to guess 428 00:14:54,470 --> 00:14:53,440 on this do you think it's just another 429 00:14:56,870 --> 00:14:54,480 case of 430 00:14:58,629 --> 00:14:56,880 they're they're not going to be able to 431 00:15:01,670 --> 00:14:58,639 explain what it is 432 00:15:04,389 --> 00:15:01,680 yet so let's put them in limbo again 433 00:15:05,910 --> 00:15:04,399 you know i mean that that type of thing 434 00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:05,920 i i think what they're going to do is 435 00:15:11,269 --> 00:15:06,480 try to 436 00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:11,279 did in 1969 with the condom committee 437 00:15:14,710 --> 00:15:13,199 uh one of the one of the points one of 438 00:15:16,629 --> 00:15:14,720 the points there was you know 439 00:15:18,790 --> 00:15:16,639 tell people what's going on and remove 440 00:15:20,949 --> 00:15:18,800 the mystery from the phenomenon 441 00:15:21,990 --> 00:15:20,959 and we have us these authorities saying 442 00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:22,000 well there's nothing to this we 443 00:15:26,069 --> 00:15:24,000 investigated this we couldn't find that 444 00:15:27,750 --> 00:15:26,079 condon couldn't explain 30 of the 445 00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:27,760 sightings but the scientific community 446 00:15:30,870 --> 00:15:29,279 just ignores that they say well we had a 447 00:15:31,829 --> 00:15:30,880 scientific investigation and they didn't 448 00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:31,839 find anything 449 00:15:35,189 --> 00:15:33,680 take a look at it carefully people 450 00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:35,199 there's a lot of interesting information 451 00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:36,800 in there same way with the project blue 452 00:15:38,949 --> 00:15:38,240 files there's a lot of information in 453 00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:38,959 there if you 454 00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:40,720 take the time to go through it that 455 00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:43,360 might help you understand the phenomenon 456 00:15:46,389 --> 00:15:44,880 i i'm sure they're right when they say 457 00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:46,399 well there's various solutions we're not 458 00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:47,680 going to have a single solution for all 459 00:15:50,949 --> 00:15:48,959 the signings we're going to have a 460 00:15:53,110 --> 00:15:50,959 variety of solutions and i believe that 461 00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:53,120 that's what we saw with with uh with 462 00:15:56,389 --> 00:15:54,480 blue book you know sometimes it was 463 00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:56,399 meteor sometimes was meteorological 464 00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:57,680 sometimes it was 465 00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:00,240 cloud strange cloud formation sometimes 466 00:16:03,910 --> 00:16:02,320 it was hoaxes sometimes it was 467 00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:03,920 aircraft seen under unusual 468 00:16:07,189 --> 00:16:05,680 circumstances yeah we're going to have 469 00:16:08,230 --> 00:16:07,199 some of that sort of thing 470 00:16:09,749 --> 00:16:08,240 but there's always going to be that 471 00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:09,759 residue of things that they're not going 472 00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:11,360 to be able to explain 473 00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:13,440 right and they're going to just kind of 474 00:16:16,150 --> 00:16:14,880 ignore that and say well you know if we 475 00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:16,160 had better information we could have 476 00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:17,680 explained that well why don't you have 477 00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:18,800 that better information you're 478 00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:19,920 investigating it you have the 479 00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:21,360 wherewithal of the united states 480 00:16:24,389 --> 00:16:23,040 government behind you 481 00:16:27,110 --> 00:16:24,399 certainly you can get the people to 482 00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:27,120 cooperate with their ufo sightings 483 00:16:31,509 --> 00:16:29,600 right so just one more question what do 484 00:16:32,870 --> 00:16:31,519 you think would be a tipping point i 485 00:16:35,269 --> 00:16:32,880 mean you would think that the 486 00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:35,279 pentagon investigating ufos would be 487 00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:37,519 kind of a tipping point where 488 00:16:41,189 --> 00:16:39,279 let's really look into this seriously 489 00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:41,199 and it and they are 490 00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:45,040 at least doing um you know a show of 491 00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:47,120 of trying to do that window dressing 492 00:16:50,069 --> 00:16:48,480 maybe but still 493 00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:50,079 well i looked at this thing when i did 494 00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:51,759 the ufos in the deep state 495 00:16:54,870 --> 00:16:53,839 which just was published not that long 496 00:16:57,269 --> 00:16:54,880 ago 497 00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:57,279 uh why presidents had who had wanted to 498 00:17:00,470 --> 00:16:58,959 get ufo information out to the public 499 00:17:01,269 --> 00:17:00,480 why they couldn't do it jimmy carter for 500 00:17:03,670 --> 00:17:01,279 example 501 00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:03,680 yeah and what i learned there was there 502 00:17:07,590 --> 00:17:05,360 are ways of dodging 503 00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:07,600 presidential edicts you know the 504 00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:09,120 president says i want to know everything 505 00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:11,360 you know about ufos and the answer is 506 00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:12,959 we'll gather that information for you 507 00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:14,720 and get back to you with a with a report 508 00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:17,120 on that and somehow it never gets done 509 00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:19,439 and now we have this document this nine 510 00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:20,319 pages they 511 00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:22,319 they lived up to the obligation of 512 00:17:27,270 --> 00:17:25,199 creating a report in 180 days the best 513 00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:27,280 they could do is nine pages 514 00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:28,880 there's just absolutely nothing there 515 00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:30,240 but their conclusion sort of an 516 00:17:33,270 --> 00:17:32,000 executive summary let's see the data 517 00:17:34,549 --> 00:17:33,280 that you looked at and that sort of 518 00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:34,559 thing i think it's going to be that kind 519 00:17:36,549 --> 00:17:36,000 of a dodge and we're going to end up 520 00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:36,559 with this 521 00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:38,000 appeal to authority saying well we 522 00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:39,440 looked at it we couldn't find anything 523 00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:40,799 so there you go 524 00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:47,190 well i i think the secretarial talent at 525 00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:49,200 the the level they would be operating at 526 00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:49,679 would be 527 00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:52,080 among the best yeah and besides that we 528 00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:53,360 have word check which 529 00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:55,039 by the way has been screwing me up 530 00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:57,039 lately 531 00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:58,799 misspelling the taking the wrong words 532 00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:00,880 and plugging them into uh 533 00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:04,160 my documents there so oh well 534 00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:06,400 hey kevin thanks as always it's always a 535 00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:07,840 pleasure talking to you and hope to have 536 00:18:11,669 --> 00:18:09,039 you on for a full show 537 00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:11,679 uh coming up another few months i'll 538 00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:13,200 reach out to you but thanks so much for 539 00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:14,080 everything 540 00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:16,400 and thanks for all you do really well 541 00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:17,679 and thank you for the kind words i 542 00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:18,960 appreciate that and tell everybody to go 543 00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:20,720 out and buy ufos in the deep state so i 544 00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:22,080 can get to number one 545 00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:24,720 hey all right i'll try to remember to 546 00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:26,000 put that in the show notes as well 547 00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:28,799 take care thank you all right all right 548 00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:29,440 everyone so 549 00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:31,200 don't forget to tune in next week at 550 00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:33,679 five o'clock i'm going to be on location 551 00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:34,720 in the berkshires 552 00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:37,039 it's going to be a heck of a show and 553 00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:38,080 thanks so much for 554 00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:40,720 uh watching and listening tonight sorry 555 00:18:45,690 --> 00:18:42,400 for the technical glitch 556 00:18:54,830 --> 00:18:45,700 and remember to keep your eyes to the 557 00:19:04,240 --> 00:18:57,480 sky